Presidential Debate

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  3. Anyone watched tonight's presidential debate? What did you think.
    I personally thought Trump had multiple valid points and basically shut down Hillary for most of the debate, as he did in the second debate. I'll give the first debate win to Hillary as I think she deserves that one.

    Who do you think will become the president of the USA, and who do you support?
     
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  8. Trump didn't answer all of his questions, he spent more time trying to point out her faults rather than proving his worth in comparison to her in being president, but that's just my opinion.
     
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  11. By pointing out her faults he is in fact proving his worth.
    When you make someone look bad you make yourself look better
     
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  16. But thats ALL he did the entire debate, she at least answered the questions and tried to make him look bad. He just bullshitted
     
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  19. How so?
    He talked about his economic plans. He talked about foreign policy. He talked about most of the segments that were part of the debate.
    Sure there was a lot of discrediting each other on both sides of the party but they still both talked about their plans in the limited time they were given.
     
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  24. Yes I agree they talked about their policies but, one thing in particular I mean is how Trump was asked what he would do if the Iraqi army pushed ISIS out and he didn't even answer it, he just said some words to make it seem like he answered but in all actuality he didn't say what he would do, he just said that it was Hillary's fault and that Iran was the prime benefiter.
     
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    I personally feel like for the first at least 30 minutes Trump was making some valid (at some point rly good points/plans). I thought he was actually going to make a difference and show the world his politician side and his readiness for the presidency. And then he goes into how he MIGHT not accept the decisions of the public and calling the polls and possibly the entire election voting a rigged event. It's crazy because before this I disliked Trump because all he does is he just put blame on Hillary for EVERYTHING literally and he never really tell the people what his plans/strategies are when he enters the office. But for the early part of the 3rd debate I felt that vibe from him and actually heard his plans etc but then again overall I still thought Hillary was much better prepared and could deal with the questions asked calmly (most of the time) and not always going off track from the main question and topic and head on to throw blame on the other candidate. I'm not even an American and I'm interested in these debates, watched all 3. Goodluck America, :).
     
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  28. Regardless of what happened in yesterday's debate didn't justify what he wanted to do. Trump is for the rich, he's scum but that doesn't mean he's not a somewhat good canadiate. The only problem trump has is his disgusting remarks towards woman and immigrants. If he didn't have those flaws he would have had my vote 100%

    As for Hillary, she bombed all of the debates and she never once got shut down in a debate with trump. Hillary laughs at all of the stupidity trump says out of his mouth. Every fact that trump mentioned was mostly invalid if you know your shit. He knows shit about coal and oil and how to fix our economy. I'm my opinion he's going to ruin it by not taxing riches more and giving them less tax payouts. I honestly think she's going to win the presidential elections, she has my vote.

    #TeamHillary
     
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  31. edit: ok didnt realize this was gonna be this long. TL;DR: Hillary is corrupt. Trump wins by default. That + he basically crushes her on most talking points.

    How could Trump possibly be for the rich? Hillary is the one whos campaign funds came almost entirely from wall street banks and high profile donors. Trump has never payed a cent of federal tax due to loopholes in the system which legally allowed him to do so. These are the same loopholes that many other high profile individuals have been using to their advantage for the 20+ years that Hillary Clinton has been in a position of power. Hillary always had the power to shut this loophole when she was secretary of state and long before that because not only is she all talk no action, she would also be attacking the profits of many of her high profile donators.

    Trump's immigration system could never be better. While Hillary wants to give almost all 11 million illegal immegrants citizenships, there's law-abiding people that apply for a citizenship legally and are made to wait sometimes over 5 years to be granted citizenship. Trump wants to build a wall not because he wants to end all immigration, he wants to end illegal immigration which mostly happens between the Mexico-US border. Donald Trump is all for legal immigration. He also has said that he will not be deporting 11 million people, but that those 11 million people will be granted a sort of fast pass towards citizenship, and the bad guys between those 11 million people would be deported. Trump cannot be labelled a racist as he has never said anything that could be considered racist towards Mexican people. What he said was that we do not know who these people are that are crossing our border. For all we know they could be terrorists and rapists, which for the most part has been proven to be true. Many of the mexicans border-hopping have been found to have been criminals, not all of them. While Trump wants a tough border that restricts the wrong people from entering the US in order to protect its people, Hillary on the other hand is a fan of an open border.

    Trump's attitude on women aren't perfect, and he's even said that. He apologized for the tape where he talked about grabbing women by their pussies, which btw happened over 10 years ago. As he pointed out, his were words and Bill's were actions, where Hillary was his enabler. She defended a child rapist by emotionally abusing the victim and got the rapist freed. Years later, she admitted that she knew he was guilty and laughed about it. Bill had to settle for over 850k$ out of court with one of the women that came forward against him, which just shouts guilty. Also really enjoyed how just to rub it in Bill's face, Trump invited the women that came forward claiming Bill had raped them to the second presidential debate. The point is that Trump may not be the best advocate for women, but he's definitely a much better one than Hillary ever could be.

    > As for Hillary, she bombed all of the debates and she never once got shut down in a debate with trump.

    Hillary never replied when Donald Trump asked why she accepted donations towards the Clinton Foundation from countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, where women are heavily oppressed and gays and lesbians are thrown off roofs and killed. She had no answers on her emails. Multiple times she has been called out by Trump for her corruption, as we saw in the debate when Trump pointed out how Bill had met with the attorney state general privately on the back of a plane on the tarmac days before a decision was supposed to be made on her case.

    Hillary laughs at some of the stuff that Trump says because she knows most of it is true but she tries to make it seem as if he's a joke, by laughing about it and making it seem like she still has the upper hand. She laughed when he said that she voted for Iraq and that most of it was partially her and Obama's fault, which is true, and she laughed when he called her out for deleting emails even after being subpoenaed, which was also found to be true.

    Hillary wants to tax the rich as if that's magically gonna fix every problem in the US economy. She never once has thought about what would happen if the rich were to leave due to the huge taxation raises. She also wants to continue signing more shit deals like NAFTA, which is possibly second place for the worst deal ever signed, after the Iran deal, which will cut jobs in the US in exchange for jobs and cheap labor in China. Trump is against outsourcing our jobs to countries of cheap labor and plans on renegotiating shitty deals like NAFTA and TPP that basically takes all low/lower-middle class jobs from the US to China. He's against the Iran deal which basically gives free money to Iran and which has caused them to become a superpower of their own. He's against the chinese devaluing their currency and dumping steel and other shit in the US economy illegally, which Hillary Clinton could have easily arranged to stop when she was in a position of power. Let's not forget that Trump was able to turn a loan of a million dollars to a company that brought in 10 billion dollars in revenue last year.

    Hillary seems to believe that Trump has this sort of best friend relationship with Putin, which has totally been debunked. Putin knows nothing about Trump and Trump knows nothing about Putin but both are leaders and both respect each other for what they have been able to achieve. Hillary wants to blame everything on Russia, such as her email server being hacked and Aleppo/Syria. If that crazy bitch gets elected there's definitely going to be a world war 3 as her attempts to make a no-fly zone and safe zone in Syria is most probably gonna be declined by the Kremlin, and chaos will most probably ensue.

    Hillary has been in a position of power for the last 30 years and nothing has been done, which is why I don't understand why anyone would still vote Hillary.
    A vote for Trump is a vote for a new country fam

    #HillaryForPrison
     
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  34. 4 words
    "Such a nasty woman"

    ~Donald Trump's most legendary saying of all time..
     
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  37. I'm not voting for a president. I'm voting for the other offices that are up. I can't bring myself to vote for a corrupt politician or a disgusting, filthy man who thinks it's alright to treat people like absolute garbage 24/7. They're both shitty.
     
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    Cutting taxes for the rich isn't the right way to improve your economy. I'm not a politician but it's obvious and only right to pay more taxes if you earn more than others. Look around the world, most successful countries with great economy and safe government has those most common-sensed policies. As for Trump, he make sense sometimes and I'm not completely against all his plans. He just isn't meant for the President spot. He can have great plans but also remember, he holds the god damn power to use nuclear weapons and this is not a joke? This not only matters the US but every other country around the world. If he was to use any nukes on ANY countries just because he think his plans are the 'best' and that everyone else who opposes him are wrong, then watch us enter WW3 in no time after he gets elected. If violence is all that works to solve world and personal problems, then maybe that person need to go to pre-school and redo his/her entire education process again LMFAO. Personally thoughts don't take these too hard. You can support anyone you want, but I just find it ridiculous because to most Trump supporters - whatever Hillary said/done is wrong. However, Clinton supporters will once in awhile agree in Trump's policies if they make sense and are workable. They say your kind of supporters shows a lot about your personality so if Trump attracts these sort of supporters (not all but most) then I really can't imagine how he'll run the country ngl.

    "Hillary has been in a position of power for the last 30 years and nothing has been done"
    As for this, it's just funny to hear how Trump and his supporters use this against Clinton. Firstly, Hillary was in 'power'? Nope. She was in the senate or just part of the government. She was at no point of that 30 years as a politician the President of the US. So when Trump say she's always been in power, no she wasn't. Considering even the President himself has to deal with the congress filled with Republicans/Democrats how can a Senator/SSoS herself have much power. Secondly, if you want to talk about how the candidates have spent their 30 years and put that as a criterion if one if fit for President, then let's not forget what Trump was doing during that same period if 30 years - hosting TV reality show, living in his own world and actually agreeing in politicians that he now opposes just so he can make his own stand to run for President. So technically no Trump supporters/himself can use this invalid point to go against Hillary. Come up with something stronger that can't be used to fight back against Trump himself. :) <3
     
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  41. tfw when he told her she'd be in jail if he was appointed
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    those are just ad hominem
     
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  44. How is it right to pay more taxes if you make more money? Just because I work harder and make more that doesn't mean that I should pay more to cover for the human waste in our society that are just lazy and want to sit on their asses all day cashing in welfare checks and using food stamps when they're perfectly able to maintain a job.
    Trump isn't the one threatening war against Russia, which btw beats the US in amount of nuclear weapons, Hillary is. Hillary makes it seem as if Putin is the devil and wants to blame all of our problems on Russia, whereas Trump has stated that he thinks it's better for the US and Russia to be allies and join forces to defeat ISIS. Hillary wants to build safezones and no-fly zones in Syria and force the russians to agree to those by gaining some kind of leverage on them. Now Putin and Russia aren't wimps such as how the US was under Obama's administration and I hardly doubt they'd have a problem shitting on Hillary's plans and threatening war against the US.

    Yes, Hillary has been in power. Holding a position in the senate is power. Every vote counts and affects the US in some way, so that is strong power. Hillary also has been Secretary of State, which is maybe one of the highest positions able to be held in the country, which also is power. She doesn't have to be the president to make good calls and influence the USA positively. She has bad judgement, as stated numerously by Bernie Sanders. With either a seat in the senate or as secretary of state, she could have easily pushed forward ideas that could have benefited the country but she didn't. She attacks Trump for buying chinese steel, which is perfectly legal thanks to a loophole, and not paying federal taxes, which is also perfectly legal under a loophole, while those are just 2 of many things that she could have changed while in power but never did because it would mean also attacking her high profile donors and the big banks and media outlets that donate to her cause for pay2play, as was debated in the 3rd debate yesterday.

    It's funny how Clinton tried to sum up 30 years of Trump's life as being time spent hosting a reality show and living in his own world. Let's not forget that in those 30 years Trump took a loan of a million dollars and turned it into a multi-billion dollar company. He does run a reality show which I haven't watched really, but I think it's business-oriented and such? Just because he ran a successful show doesn't mean he spent his time unwisely. Where did he agree with politicians that he now stands against?

    Trump just has better policies in immigration, foreign policy, economy, and a bit in healthcare (which he could improve on), but Clinton supporters are too busy calling him racist, sexist, transphobic, and just anything you'd hear coming out of a retarded SJW's mouth after they've lost an argument, to realize that.
     
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    Well you are saying that but Trump supporters and Trump himself calls Clinton names too. So again use something stronger to go against Clinton on that. Don't use something that Trump/his supporters aren't better at compared to Clinton. Remember, I'm not even American so I can't even vote. And I have no concept of both candidates before the debates etc. I only started watching the 1st debate and concluded who is more ready and deserving to be President of the US. Trump wasted 2/3 debates to put blame on Hillary instead of actually telling American his plans as President in detail. He butt into Hillary's 2 minutes many times just because he want to tell the world that he didn't do that (which he did so let's not continue there). I don't side anybody to be honest, but based on the 3 debates I've seen so far, I personally feel like Hillary is more mentally prepared and experienced in politics to take the office.

    And on that loan thing that Trump did, did he not made numerous failed investments and even have to close down casinos/hotels he owned due to failure in investment or something and goes on lawsuits to declare bankruptcy etc? Also, yes you work hard to earn more. But honestly, just take a look at Singapore (which I live in). I'm not saying we got the best economy out there, but we have a safe and still growing economy with these sustainable policies we've had since our independence. I personally feel like if you earn more money of course you have to pay more taxes. Do you expect a person who makes $30,000 a year to pay a $50,000 tax because a wealthy makes over a million a year and that $50,000 is peanuts to them? It's not peanuts to the low-income families who probably don't make that same amount. Again, I'm not a politician and I'm not saying there is a new to rise/cut taxes in US. In all the 3 debates I've seen, Trump did minimal explaining and showcasing of his plans and policies he have in his mind when he's President, and meanwhile spend 3/4 of the time blaming Hillary for things she MIGHT not have even done (and not to mention constant mention of Bill's assault cases as if Bill is running for President and don't bring in that puppet shit where they are a couple and Bill will control her that is bullshit that is literally sexism at its finest thinking a woman running for President will always have her power controlled by her husband). If Trump bothers to explain his policies and plans to the Americans maybe he'll get more votes. What he needs to do now at this moment really isn't to blame Hillary for anything, but to show the Americans his worthiness and readiness to be President which he isn't showing. I know Trump supporters are loyal and will not agree to a single thing another non-Trump supporters says but I'm saying these when I'm siding nobody.

    I personally feel that Hillary deserves the Presidency more than Trump at this point in time, based on the 3 debates. Not to mention the fact that Trump actually MIGHT not accept the results of the elections and is already laying down his path for when he lose - he can call the media/election a rigged event for Clinton. He is smart, but using them in all wrong places. If a Presidential Candidate is in our common terms, a sore loser then I don't think he's ready to run the country for the next 4 years.

    Gonna stop replying from here on because I don't want this to get into some heated debate between Trump supporters and I. I'm just expressing my views based on the debates I've watched and again to remind you (all), I've actually leaned to Trump for the first half of the 3rd debate, then he disappointed me again with his harsh words on Hillary and not being able to showcase more plans/policies. I'm not saying Hillary told her plans all the time during debate, but she sure did showcase more compared to Trump over the course of the 3 debates (even if some of them are not as good). Both have their plus points and flaws, but I personally think Trump has just a little bit more flaws for now.

    No hate, goodluck voting this November Americans! :-D Whatever the outcome is, please accept it and call it a rigged event if you candidate don't win!

    Peace xo
     
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  48. My point was that Clinton supporters are calling him shit without realizing he isn't any of that. I'm not justifying any side calling the other side names, but it was mostly obvious on the Clinton side with most supporters calling Trump racist, homophobic and sexist because they misunderstood that his immigration policy was against illegal immigrants coming from the Mexican border, not every Mexican person.

    It's true that Trump spent a lot of time putting down Hillary's ideas but i'm sure that had a large impact. As I said earlier on, putting down someone's ideas is just as effective, if not more effective, than promoting your own ideas. If you constantly only talk about your ideas without talking about your opponent's idea's error's then you're being too friendly, just as if you only put down your opponent's ideas constantly without discussing your own ideas you're being too harsh. I believe Trump did a perfect combination of the two and was able to push forward his agenda while also exposing what was wrong with Hillary's ideas and her agenda at the same time. I'm not even American so I can't vote in the election but i'm still highly interested in the outcome.

    Yes, Trump did have several bumps and investment failures along the way, but there's no way you're getting to the top where he is without running into a few problems. Even Walt Disney, who began his own animation company at first, lost all his possessions and had to rely on eating dog food and sleeping on the streets before he made it big. It's just a step of the way to success that everyone has to go through.

    He isn't planning on making every citizen pay the same taxes. What he's saying is that the tax percentage between what a poor/middle class person pays and what a high class person pays is way too big as it is now. He's also saying that US companies are being taxed too heavily which is why they're fleeing abroad and taking all their jobs with them. He plans on cutting the taxes for upper class people and companies so that they are given a little breathing space and are able to save more of their money instead of working hard and having half of it taken by the government. I have to agree that both candidates did not give enough of an explanation on their plans. Trump talked about what he would do without really mentioning numbers. He has seen how the GDP only growing at 1% each year while China grows at 8% a year is due to massive taxation on companies, which obliges them to lower costs and forces them to produce in China due to the lower labour costs. If the taxes are reduces for these companies and tariffs are implemented against goods coming from China, Mexico and Japan then that encourages companies to begin producing in the US again and encourages people to buy American products as Chinese and foreign products would become more expensive with the tariffs implemented. The USA loses billions of dollars each year in trade because it does not set a tariff against Chinese goods coming into the country that sell at one third the price of American goods due to their low cost of labour and cheap material. Hillary on the other hand thinks that increasing the minimum wage and taxing higher class individuals and companies more will be the solution to all the world's problems. Raising the minimum wage will just result in companies hiring less people due to costs, as well as rent increasing and prices of goods increasing and has been proven not to work. Raising taxes on higher class individuals will just push them to move out of the country or hide their profits in off-shore bank accounts, as was seen in the Panama papers scandal.

    No one is saying anything sexist, so I don't know what you brought that up. What I said was that Hillary's constant attacks on Trump for his language in the tape where he says "grab them by the pussy" is unjustified as her husband is a convicted rapist, whereas Donald Trump is not. Bill won't be president but he still would be first lady/first man, which would still mean he is representing the USA.

    What policies and plans do you think he has to explain more?
    On immigration - Trump wants to build the wall by removing the price of the wall from the money that the US sends to Mexico every year, which would kinda be as if Mexico builds the wall. So let's say they send 100 billion dollars to Mexico every year and the wall costs 100 billion dollars (just an example), then they'd proceed to send only 90 billion over the course of the next 10 years to make up the cost of the wall. He plans on building the wall to stop illegal immigration, and plans to fast track illegal immigrants that are already in the US to give them citizenships and deport the ones that are criminals and rapists. He's against illegal immigration because it's unfair that people applying for citizenship are made to wait 5 years whereas a Mexican can just run across the border and be granted free housing and welfare checks.

    On the economy - Place tariffs against Chinese, Japanese and foreign goods which will increases their prices and push people to purchase American goods, which will be benefitting the American economy. This will also push more companies to come back to the US which in turn which results in more jobs and a better return to the economy. Detroit and many other cities in the US were filled with warehouses and factories years ago until free trade agreements were accepted which allowed Chinese products to fill our markets with one third the cost of American products. Trump plans to re-negotiate this contracts so that it is less effective in taking jobs out of the USA and more effective in bringing back companies and jobs to the US.

    On foreign policy - Trump plans on stopping this "worldwide police force" that the US has become which pushes them to interfere in every corner of the world. He wants to re-negiotiate the Iran deal as Iran has become too strong of a country thanks to the government under Obama. He plans on joining the Russian-Syrian coalition in the battle against ISIS. He doesn't want to start conflict with Russia as it's known that they have grown their nuclear program immensely while the US wasted money on battling in foreign countries and helping Iran grow their military and economy.

    On healthcare - Trump wants to repeal Obamacare, which has seen premiums rise 60-100% from month to month. Obamacare started out as a lie anyways. It was stated that you could keep your own doctor and insurance plans, but in fact it removed every insurance plan and fixed everyone up with just one plan, which has failed miserably. He has stated he is extremely against Obamacare, especially how they spent 5 billion dollars on a website that to this day still does not function properly. He wants to allow insurance companies to create their own plans and packages which will bring back competition against insurance companies and drive prices of insurance down, as seen in a competitive market in any economics study. More competition means companies battle to provide the lowest price possible.

    That's pretty much everything summed up.


    The only reason why Donald Trump may not accept the election results is because of videos like the one i've posted below which shows massive voter fraud and other illegal things being done by the Democratic party which may influence the election in Hillary's way illegally. There's even shadier shit such as CNN cutting off a Republican on air when he was bad-mouthing Hillary and bringing up Wikileaks, which has exposed Hillary for her email scandal. Let's not forget CNN endorses Hillary.

    Donald Trump is sick of the corruption and failures in and of the US government and i'm pretty much sure most Americans are with him.


     
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  51. the election is rigged 4 hilzy to win but theyre both fuckwits im so glad i live in australia for once haha losers!
     
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  54. Except there's plenty of evidence of him saying these disgusting things? I don't care how long ago it was I can't support a man who is so vulgar. He's nothing but a bully, and his mouth is going to fuck over our country. And before you jump on my imaginary nuts and start shoving shit down my throat about it, I don't like Hillary either. I'm not voting for either of them, and I'm not voting for a 3rd party candidate. I'm probably going to write in my cat and seriously vote in the other offices. I can't support candidates I don't believe in.
    Pls let me move in with you. I'll live in a closet eating nothing but cool ranch Doritos. You'll never see me.
     
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  57. Disgusting things such as? The only thing i've seen used against him is the comments about grabbing women by the pussy which was 10 years ago. He's not trying to escape the fact that he said it but instead stood by his mistake and apologized about his comments on live television. People do mature with age and if you're gonna hold against me shit I said 10 years ago then that's pretty stupid.
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    except the fact that there's legit nothing good about being australian ;)
     
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  60. He continuously makes comments. I do not believe he's matured at all. Scroll through his Twitter, it's toxic. This just scratches the surface of some of the garbage he's done/said. This article doesn't provide all the sources, but they're not that hard to find. I'm just not going to waste my effort linking every single one.

    I'm not sure if your goal is to try to get me to vote for Trump, but it's not going to happen. I made my comment on this thread and I'm standing by it. I think both of them are scum. Equally. I'm personally done with responding to this thread. I'm getting really tired of people constantly trying to convince me to vote for a candidate I don't like.

    Oh, and there's also a difference between saying, "I apologize." and "I'm sorry." If you're genuinely sorry, you tend to say you're sorry. Not, "I apologize."